Daily Digest for Thursday, Oct 23, 2014
☀️ Earliest posts come first.
@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl I try not to use bigot because it’s a label that defines, not an attitude that can change.
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@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl someone acting sexist or racist can totally be in the minority. It’s not a default position of power.
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@ForceSargeras whole hours? @freebsdgirl @TheQuinnspiracy and @femfreq have been dealing with you guys for months and years. Grow a spine.
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@ForceSargeras what @femfreq was doing was criticism: death and rape threats are not. #threatsareviolence
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@ForceSargeras @jhelwig @freebsdgirl wrong: sexism IS individual: treating any member of a gender as inferior because of their gender.
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@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl @TheQuinnspiracy @femfreq tell that to 8chan
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@ForceSargeras sexi and racism are insividual behaviors learned from culture. Being an adult means choosing which behaviors to own.
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@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl @TheQuinnspiracy @femfreq ah, I see you are using the public figure defense against me, eh? <cue man in black>
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@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl brzzzzt asking her if she slept her way to her rank is inherently demeaning and offensive. A child’s act.
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@ForceSargeras @eshamow @jhelwig @freebsdgirl I said that sexism is learned. But that’s not an excuse, adults can self-reflect and change.
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@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl so you even know what nepotism is? Pretty sure sex-nepotism would be illegal.
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@ForceSargeras @eshamow @lisawwww @jhelwig @freebsdgirl exactly, so be an adult and take responsibility for your own sexism, and change,
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Note to @ForceSargeras - I’m still learning about my own unintentional sexism. But an adult can learn about their own mistakes and change.
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@freebsdgirl what do you mean? http://t.co/yKqMkETRo0
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“@AgentM: Official HD @Avengers: #AgeOfUltron teaser trailer is here! http://t.co/O9Yy4FnNr7” I squeeze a bit.
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If middle-aged dads had their own desert festival is would be called Sighing Man.
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@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl one person saying “I’m not going to listen” does not remove your ability to speak.
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@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl
“cen⋅sor⋅ing /sensəriŋ/ noun deleting parts of publications or correspondence“
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@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl no one’s taking your right to speak, no one is deleting your content.
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@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl an individual is simply saying “I don’t have to listen.” Their choice.
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@ForceSargeras @Arlen @freebsdgirl “…allow individuals to pre-block questionable … accounts… without stopping the sender from sending”
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@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl You do have the right to speak. You don’t have a right for everyone to listen.
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@ForceSargeras @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl If you follow someone around IRL forcing them to listen to you harangue them, you get arrested.
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RT @ExtrovertedGeek: Petition 4 @twitter to make specific changes 2 reduce online harassment and threats http://t.co/miSyYMQym6 @freebsdgirl
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RT @esten: Wait…
What if…
People that’ve spent the last 24 hours telling me harassers don’t represent GG…
Replied to the harassers inste…
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Anyone heard of http://t.co/D1Uda6YM19 or have experience with them?
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@siracusa @cbirdsong can you de-auth just one device yet? (Not at an iTunes right now)
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@siracusa for the love of all that’s holy. Why not?
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@siracusa well sure, but you have to go to one device to find out what’s authorized, and another to de-auth. Why can I de-auth all but not 1
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@eaton @freebsdgirl Preach.
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@freebsdgirl we can stand up because we’re typically not risking much. Women risk safety of themselves and family. That’s bravery.
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@I3elmont @freebsdgirl it isn’t men getting the death/rape threats.
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@I3elmont @freebsdgirl Also Newell wasn’t threatened for speaking out critically, but because Valve made a simple mistake.
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@I3elmont @freebsdgirl she didn’t freak out, she told you she’s not going to give you a private audience, and asked you to leave her alone.
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@I3elmont @freebsdgirl also, where are the people saying Newell “freaked out” and took that guys game down? It’s like using “hysterical”.
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@I3elmont Not gonna try to explain the deep cultural reasons why death/rape threats mean more to women if you don’t get it.
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@freebsdgirl it would have to be a visual graph. No other way to track it. Crazytown.
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@I3elmont Sometimes it’s ok to not get it and still not invalidate another’s experience. That’s how we learn. “I don’t understand, help me”.
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@I3elmont @Brobuntu @freebsdgirl Srsly? “Her passions are high?” This is downright Victorian. Someone grab the smelling salts.
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@joshm @mathowie @moot @torrez Lurv the app icon/logo. So much love.
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@I3elmont @Brobuntu @freebsdgirl It’s not bizarre. When you get harassed as uch as she does, anything that approaches “private” is bad.
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@I3elmont @Brobuntu @freebsdgirl Paradoxically, there is safety in keeping those (harassing, abusive, sexist) interactions public.
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RT @PeterCornswalle: @TsheggSSNW @TechyFolks @femfreq Women are not suited to technical work like programming. Studies prove this to be tru…
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@PeterCornswalle @TsheggSSNW @TechyFolks @femfreq The 1850’s called, they want their view of women back.
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@Ectocooler_hi_c @RihaShane @miltday1 @TheQuinnspiracy Where was your outrage when Zoe, Anita, Brianna, Felicia, etc were being doxxed?
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@PeterCornswalle @TsheggSSNW @TechyFolks @femfreq Better give up your computer and compiled software, you have Grace Hopper to thank for it.
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@dbounds Facebook? Aw. I thought it was indie.
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@Ectocooler_hi_c You’re not interested in reality, I’m not going to try and unpack the mistakes in that question.
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@PeterCornswalle You defend #gamergate and invoke God in the same sentence? wades in did you know Jesus -> major feminist in his time?
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@Ectocooler_hi_c We disagree on your base presuppositions.
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Apparently #gamergate is now about “the roles of men and the roles of women” and “when a Jezebel takes on a man’s role in the world”. ppl.
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@swev @femfreq Your issue with Anita seems to be that she has a platform. Her “speeches” bring in people who can code and do value diversity
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BTW - if you are standing up for harassed twitter users, try to un-@-reply them, to protect their TLs.
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So, setup tweetdeck with columns for Zoe, Randi’s, and Anita’s mentions. Unfathomable treatment.
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@swev Cultural critique fills an important role in society, and that critique is a catalyst for change. The status quo fights the change 1⁄2
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@swev Firstly by trying to silence the criticism. If the criticism is invalid, it will fail. If it’s valid, it will change society. 2⁄2
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@swev @femfreq How does Anita pointing out the treatment of women in games threaten your safe space? Does it depend on that treatment?
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I’m just followed @TheQuinnspiracy’s, @femfreq’s and @freebsdgirl’s mentions for the last hour and I’m exhausted. You women are so brave.
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RT @Blackamazon: I also invite a lot of these women in tech writers to stop pretending “women”=white
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RT @femfreq: Useful vocabulary terms for the less obvious harassment tactics used against women online. Via http://t.co/KggLqIlgtv http://t…
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Note to self: do not keep twitter analytics open while defending harassment victims. It’s not about you.
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My 67yo neighbor is out taking a chainsaw to her trees, while I sit at a computer and type words.
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@dedricuth They started by pointing out the pre-existing treatment of women in games and in gaming. Any over-generalized response came later
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@swev that “freedom from social control” has spawned a view of women that comes from an insular culture. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
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@swev I’m sorry you’ve been unfairly lumped in with the awful people harassing and threatening women. Minirities do need safe places but 1⁄2
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@swev 2⁄2 how can you defend this treatment as protecting a safe place for minorities? Cont’d…
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@swev 3⁄2 when women are called “whores”, opponents are “fags”, etc
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@swev The positive change is that the discussion is being had - and more diverse games are being made and more people are understanding 1⁄2
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@swev 2⁄2 the impact on greater society that perpetuating oppressive views of women has.
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@swev Except that the response she has gotten has not been “actually, if you look at this evidence”, rather “you shut up and die”
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RT @freebsdgirl: In case it gets deleted. Wow. http://t.co/aHCdUYoZXK
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@swev I apologize, you have not explicitly defended it. But “don’t make speeches” sounds an awful lot like “sit down and shut up” in context
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@swev Perhaps they got drowned out in the rape/death threats?
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RT @codinghorror: What If We Could Weaponize Empathy? http://t.co/lLfEte2xhz
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RT @ZackFord: @totovader Portraying women as nothing more than sexual objects degrades them. That’s @femfreq’s whole point.
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RT @coda: GameraGate: It’s about ethics in kaiju journalism. (Godzilla isn’t even a real god! Wake up sheeple!)
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Told my son a story last night about a lizard trying to escape the giant “Godzhuman”. He loved it! 1⁄2
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2⁄2 He did complain that “Godzhuman” sounded an awful lot like him.
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i just keep telling myself: “it’s not about you”.
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@TheQuinnspiracy so so sorry. Hang in there. This is awful.
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@Spacekatgal that’s amazing!!
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@spinzig @BloomfieldJanet They’re probably just professional victims.
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RT @337bot: @TheQuinnspiracy Sorry I did not mean to add to your mentions. I’ll untag you if I get mad and respond to gg’ers. Hang in there…
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@swev Have you looked at Anita’s mentions stream lately? Surprising there’s ANY signal in that noise.
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@swev I’m not twisting words. 1) Anita is not a coder herself, she’s a social analyst/critic, her videos are her work 1⁄2
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@swev 2⁄2 2) Telling her to stop “making speeches” IS telling her to shut up, straight up.
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@swev Ok, with absurdity: would you tell MLK “don’t make speeches, change things”? Anita is changing things by drawing attention to issues.
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@swev Thanks, I’ll pass. :-) Good example that a term that a person decides to own is one thing, but doesn’t make it right for others.
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Why does this need to be said? yes DOXXing uses public information. And stalking uses public streets. Neither is an excuse for threats.
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@swev rape and death threats are not harmless. threats attached to an address even less so. #threatsareviolence
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@swev the threats are real and documented, by supporters of #gamergate on 4 / 8 chan and twitter. as for real gamers, choose a new hashtag.
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@swev And with that I’m out of time for twitter arguments today. I don’t expect to convince you, and don’t expect you will do likewise.
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RT @Ether101_Prime: @steveivy @swev Yet no one can provide proof of #GamerGate involvement.
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RT @Spacekatgal: Some men are so angry about it, they’re sending rape and death threats to terrorize women into silence. They intimidate AN…
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RT @Spacekatgal: HOW TO EXPLAIN GAMERGATE: Videogames used to be a boys club. Now, women are 48 percent of the market and the industry is e…
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My lawn care and home renovations are currently being powered by anger at the way GG is treating people.
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RT @vgzsan: I stand with @freebsdgirl @Spacekatgal @femfreq @TheQuinnspiracy @ShaofHappiness and all the other women that are being target…
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Counting down he hours until work is done and I can work on the lawn outdoors. Need some disinfecting sunshine!
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@lmorchard giggle
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RT @MHjournal: @TheQuinnspiracy Just asked my lawyer dad, it IS unethical to release court records for harassment use. Even if records are …
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RT @femfreq: I’m Twitter verified! Please look for the blue checkmark to be sure accounts with my likeness are really me & not one of the m…
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I have robed myself with the LONG PANTS OF LAWN CARE and the GRASS BOOTS. Beware.
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@bitprophet also the FILTER OF DEPOLLENATION.
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@bitprophet I ride a MOTORIZED STEED with +3 DEGRASSIFICATION
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RT @loresjoberg: I still think some people just don’t realize that chatroom “PROOF OR RETRACTION” tactics don’t work when you’re asking som…
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