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Daily Digest for Thursday, Oct 23, 2014

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl I try not to use bigot because it’s a label that defines, not an attitude that can change.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl someone acting sexist or racist can totally be in the minority. It’s not a default position of power.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras whole hours? @freebsdgirl @TheQuinnspiracy and @femfreq have been dealing with you guys for months and years. Grow a spine.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras what @femfreq was doing was criticism: death and rape threats are not. #threatsareviolence

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @jhelwig @freebsdgirl wrong: sexism IS individual: treating any member of a gender as inferior because of their gender.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl @TheQuinnspiracy @femfreq tell that to 8chan

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras sexi and racism are insividual behaviors learned from culture. Being an adult means choosing which behaviors to own.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl @TheQuinnspiracy @femfreq ah, I see you are using the public figure defense against me, eh? <cue man in black>

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl brzzzzt asking her if she slept her way to her rank is inherently demeaning and offensive. A child’s act.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @eshamow @jhelwig @freebsdgirl I said that sexism is learned. But that’s not an excuse, adults can self-reflect and change.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @freebsdgirl so you even know what nepotism is? Pretty sure sex-nepotism would be illegal.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @eshamow @lisawwww @jhelwig @freebsdgirl exactly, so be an adult and take responsibility for your own sexism, and change,

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Steve Ivy

Note to @ForceSargeras - I’m still learning about my own unintentional sexism. But an adult can learn about their own mistakes and change.

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Steve Ivy

@freebsdgirl what do you mean? http://t.co/yKqMkETRo0

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Steve Ivy

“@AgentM: Official HD @Avengers: #AgeOfUltron teaser trailer is here! http://t.co/O9Yy4FnNr7” I squeeze a bit.

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Steve Ivy

If middle-aged dads had their own desert festival is would be called Sighing Man.

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Steve Ivy

RT @femfreq: This is a war on women in gaming waged by a group of sexist monsters. If you are not a horrible human being, get out of #gamer

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl one person saying “I’m not going to listen” does not remove your ability to speak.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl

“cen⋅sor⋅ing /sensəriŋ/ noun deleting parts of publications or correspondence“

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl no one’s taking your right to speak, no one is deleting your content.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl an individual is simply saying “I don’t have to listen.” Their choice.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @Arlen @freebsdgirl “…allow individuals to pre-block questionable … accounts… without stopping the sender from sending”

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @Arlen @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl You do have the right to speak. You don’t have a right for everyone to listen.

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Steve Ivy

@ForceSargeras @ExtrovertedGeek @freebsdgirl If you follow someone around IRL forcing them to listen to you harangue them, you get arrested.

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Steve Ivy

RT @ExtrovertedGeek: Petition 4 @twitter to make specific changes 2 reduce online harassment and threats http://t.co/miSyYMQym6 @freebsdgirl

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Steve Ivy

RT @esten: Wait…

What if…

People that’ve spent the last 24 hours telling me harassers don’t represent GG…

Replied to the harassers inste…

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Steve Ivy

Anyone heard of http://t.co/D1Uda6YM19 or have experience with them?

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Steve Ivy

@siracusa @cbirdsong can you de-auth just one device yet? (Not at an iTunes right now)

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Steve Ivy

@siracusa for the love of all that’s holy. Why not?

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Steve Ivy

@siracusa well sure, but you have to go to one device to find out what’s authorized, and another to de-auth. Why can I de-auth all but not 1

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Steve Ivy

@eaton @freebsdgirl Preach.

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Steve Ivy

@freebsdgirl we can stand up because we’re typically not risking much. Women risk safety of themselves and family. That’s bravery.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @freebsdgirl it isn’t men getting the death/rape threats.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @freebsdgirl Also Newell wasn’t threatened for speaking out critically, but because Valve made a simple mistake.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @freebsdgirl she didn’t freak out, she told you she’s not going to give you a private audience, and asked you to leave her alone.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @freebsdgirl also, where are the people saying Newell “freaked out” and took that guys game down? It’s like using “hysterical”.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont Not gonna try to explain the deep cultural reasons why death/rape threats mean more to women if you don’t get it.

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Steve Ivy

@freebsdgirl it would have to be a visual graph. No other way to track it. Crazytown.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont Sometimes it’s ok to not get it and still not invalidate another’s experience. That’s how we learn. “I don’t understand, help me”.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @Brobuntu @freebsdgirl Srsly? “Her passions are high?” This is downright Victorian. Someone grab the smelling salts.

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Steve Ivy

@joshm @mathowie @moot @torrez Lurv the app icon/logo. So much love.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @Brobuntu @freebsdgirl It’s not bizarre. When you get harassed as uch as she does, anything that approaches “private” is bad.

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Steve Ivy

@I3elmont @Brobuntu @freebsdgirl Paradoxically, there is safety in keeping those (harassing, abusive, sexist) interactions public.

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Steve Ivy

RT @PeterCornswalle: @TsheggSSNW @TechyFolks @femfreq Women are not suited to technical work like programming. Studies prove this to be tru…

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Steve Ivy

@PeterCornswalle @TsheggSSNW @TechyFolks @femfreq The 1850’s called, they want their view of women back.

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Steve Ivy

@Ectocooler_hi_c @RihaShane @miltday1 @TheQuinnspiracy Where was your outrage when Zoe, Anita, Brianna, Felicia, etc were being doxxed?

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Steve Ivy

@PeterCornswalle @TsheggSSNW @TechyFolks @femfreq Better give up your computer and compiled software, you have Grace Hopper to thank for it.

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Steve Ivy

@dbounds Facebook? Aw. I thought it was indie.

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Steve Ivy

@Ectocooler_hi_c You’re not interested in reality, I’m not going to try and unpack the mistakes in that question.

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Steve Ivy

@PeterCornswalle You defend #gamergate and invoke God in the same sentence? wades in did you know Jesus -> major feminist in his time?

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Steve Ivy

@Ectocooler_hi_c We disagree on your base presuppositions.

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Steve Ivy

Apparently #gamergate is now about “the roles of men and the roles of women” and “when a Jezebel takes on a man’s role in the world”. ppl.

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Steve Ivy

@swev @femfreq Your issue with Anita seems to be that she has a platform. Her “speeches” bring in people who can code and do value diversity

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Steve Ivy

BTW - if you are standing up for harassed twitter users, try to un-@-reply them, to protect their TLs.

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Steve Ivy

So, setup tweetdeck with columns for Zoe, Randi’s, and Anita’s mentions. Unfathomable treatment.

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Steve Ivy

@swev Cultural critique fills an important role in society, and that critique is a catalyst for change. The status quo fights the change 12

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Steve Ivy

@swev Firstly by trying to silence the criticism. If the criticism is invalid, it will fail. If it’s valid, it will change society. 22

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Steve Ivy

@swev @femfreq How does Anita pointing out the treatment of women in games threaten your safe space? Does it depend on that treatment?

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Steve Ivy

I’m just followed @TheQuinnspiracy’s, @femfreq’s and @freebsdgirl’s mentions for the last hour and I’m exhausted. You women are so brave.

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Steve Ivy

RT @Blackamazon: I also invite a lot of these women in tech writers to stop pretending “women”=white

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Steve Ivy

RT @femfreq: Useful vocabulary terms for the less obvious harassment tactics used against women online. Via http://t.co/KggLqIlgtv http://t…

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Steve Ivy

Note to self: do not keep twitter analytics open while defending harassment victims. It’s not about you.

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Steve Ivy

My 67yo neighbor is out taking a chainsaw to her trees, while I sit at a computer and type words.

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Steve Ivy

@dedricuth They started by pointing out the pre-existing treatment of women in games and in gaming. Any over-generalized response came later

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Steve Ivy

@swev that “freedom from social control” has spawned a view of women that comes from an insular culture. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

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Steve Ivy

@swev I’m sorry you’ve been unfairly lumped in with the awful people harassing and threatening women. Minirities do need safe places but 12

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Steve Ivy

@swev 22 how can you defend this treatment as protecting a safe place for minorities? Cont’d…

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Steve Ivy

@swev 32 when women are called “whores”, opponents are “fags”, etc

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Steve Ivy

@swev The positive change is that the discussion is being had - and more diverse games are being made and more people are understanding 12

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Steve Ivy

@swev 22 the impact on greater society that perpetuating oppressive views of women has.

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Steve Ivy

@swev Except that the response she has gotten has not been “actually, if you look at this evidence”, rather “you shut up and die”

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Steve Ivy

RT @freebsdgirl: In case it gets deleted. Wow. http://t.co/aHCdUYoZXK

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Steve Ivy

@swev I apologize, you have not explicitly defended it. But “don’t make speeches” sounds an awful lot like “sit down and shut up” in context

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Steve Ivy

@swev Perhaps they got drowned out in the rape/death threats?

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Steve Ivy

RT @codinghorror: What If We Could Weaponize Empathy? http://t.co/lLfEte2xhz

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Steve Ivy

RT @ZackFord: @totovader Portraying women as nothing more than sexual objects degrades them. That’s @femfreq’s whole point.

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Steve Ivy

RT @coda: GameraGate: It’s about ethics in kaiju journalism. (Godzilla isn’t even a real god! Wake up sheeple!)

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Steve Ivy

Told my son a story last night about a lizard trying to escape the giant “Godzhuman”. He loved it! 12

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Steve Ivy

22 He did complain that “Godzhuman” sounded an awful lot like him.

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Steve Ivy

i just keep telling myself: “it’s not about you”.

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Steve Ivy

@TheQuinnspiracy so so sorry. Hang in there. This is awful.

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Steve Ivy

@Spacekatgal that’s amazing!!

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Steve Ivy

@spinzig @BloomfieldJanet They’re probably just professional victims.

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Steve Ivy

RT @337bot: @TheQuinnspiracy Sorry I did not mean to add to your mentions. I’ll untag you if I get mad and respond to gg’ers. Hang in there…

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Steve Ivy

@swev Have you looked at Anita’s mentions stream lately? Surprising there’s ANY signal in that noise.

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Steve Ivy

@swev I’m not twisting words. 1) Anita is not a coder herself, she’s a social analyst/critic, her videos are her work 12

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Steve Ivy

@swev 22 2) Telling her to stop “making speeches” IS telling her to shut up, straight up.

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Steve Ivy

@swev Ok, with absurdity: would you tell MLK “don’t make speeches, change things”? Anita is changing things by drawing attention to issues.

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Steve Ivy

@swev Thanks, I’ll pass. :-) Good example that a term that a person decides to own is one thing, but doesn’t make it right for others.

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Steve Ivy

Why does this need to be said? yes DOXXing uses public information. And stalking uses public streets. Neither is an excuse for threats.

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Steve Ivy

@swev rape and death threats are not harmless. threats attached to an address even less so. #threatsareviolence

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Steve Ivy

@swev the threats are real and documented, by supporters of #gamergate on 4 / 8 chan and twitter. as for real gamers, choose a new hashtag.

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Steve Ivy

@swev And with that I’m out of time for twitter arguments today. I don’t expect to convince you, and don’t expect you will do likewise.

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Steve Ivy

RT @Ether101_Prime: @steveivy @swev Yet no one can provide proof of #GamerGate involvement.

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Steve Ivy

RT @Spacekatgal: Some men are so angry about it, they’re sending rape and death threats to terrorize women into silence. They intimidate AN…

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Steve Ivy

RT @Spacekatgal: HOW TO EXPLAIN GAMERGATE: Videogames used to be a boys club. Now, women are 48 percent of the market and the industry is e…

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Steve Ivy

My lawn care and home renovations are currently being powered by anger at the way GG is treating people.

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Steve Ivy

RT @vgzsan: I stand with @freebsdgirl @Spacekatgal @femfreq @TheQuinnspiracy @ShaofHappiness and all the other women that are being target…

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Steve Ivy

Counting down he hours until work is done and I can work on the lawn outdoors. Need some disinfecting sunshine!

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Steve Ivy

RT @BradEllis: I made a pretty iMac retina wallpaper. Go Boldly.

http://t.co/e1zrEhCD97

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Steve Ivy

@lmorchard giggle

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Steve Ivy

RT @MHjournal: @TheQuinnspiracy Just asked my lawyer dad, it IS unethical to release court records for harassment use. Even if records are …

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Steve Ivy

RT @femfreq: I’m Twitter verified! Please look for the blue checkmark to be sure accounts with my likeness are really me & not one of the m…

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Steve Ivy

I have robed myself with the LONG PANTS OF LAWN CARE and the GRASS BOOTS. Beware.

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Steve Ivy

@bitprophet also the FILTER OF DEPOLLENATION.

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Steve Ivy

@bitprophet I ride a MOTORIZED STEED with +3 DEGRASSIFICATION

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Steve Ivy

RT @loresjoberg: I still think some people just don’t realize that chatroom “PROOF OR RETRACTION” tactics don’t work when you’re asking som…

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